Top 10 in the World? In Dreamworld!

[earlmj]

Originally Posted by garbonzo

Some people think eastern Indonesia is actually the most diverse marine region....still in the Philippine ballpark though...I see enough enough diving in the Philippines not to complain. But I have to say the Red Sea, along the Saudi coast, was (by far) the richest area I've ever seen...in terms of biomass and variety of marine life. Staggering quantities of corals and fish...big ones too....

Thank you Garbonzo. I was stationed some 17 years ago in Purt Sudan and the Islands between Purt and Jeddah are of an unbelievable beauty and RICHNESS . Ten Thousands of Pseudochromis fridmani and more.. Also some endemic fish like Pseudocheillinus octolineatus ( not octoteania ) and schools of Holacanthus ( Apoolimichthys) xanthotis..
I have blocked Zambezi kiddy now so I cannot read more of his efforts to swindle us around about his claim on Indonesia..
Some people believe they still can win after they have bitten the dust..

[Melvin Tinklehopper]

WTF is Purt Sudan? Is that the part of Sudan where the young chicks hang out?

I smell boola-boola.

Hahahahahahaha

[jellyfish]

Originally Posted by ZambeziKid

..............As one example. I listed Bali once, but I could justifiably list it 4 times, since to drive around 3 of them would take about 8 hours, and one of the areas is a group of islands off the east coast of Bali! - it's like listing Cebu as one dive destination.

Zambezi, can you give the names of those islands (group). I went also to Bali and visited the west coast (Menjangan- 1998) and the east coast (Tulamben and neighbourhood). Diving was OK to me but not the top of the bill. Which group of islands at the east coast you went to ?

[jellyfish]

Originally Posted by earlmj

.............I have blocked Zambezi kiddy now so I cannot read more of his efforts to swindle us around about his claim on Indonesia..
Some people believe they still can win after they have bitten the dust..

That's not really wise Earl, because he is a DIVER and has very good arguments. I'm not wanting to say that you're likely not a very capable biologist (or what ever you name it) but he is seeing it from his own standpoint which is: having dived at many spots in the world and making his own comparisons. As I said earlier, who is wright and who is wrong ???? Nobody, because it's all about perception from your own background; being a diver or being a biologist.
I do appreciate his contribution very much as I do yours as well, but I see no point in blocking his positive input. I hope he will share more.
But again, it's your choise.

[jellyfish]

Originally Posted by earlmj

............If you try to outsmart me by the use of the INTERNET but don,t know a SHIT about fish.. don,t get into a confilct you never are going to win..
.......
If you seek for solid proof , contact the Bischop Museum in Honolulu I suggest. Say hi from Earl if you please..Perhaps they will also explain you the WHY it is NOT on the internet... It might just be a very very GOOD REASON......
ANY CHELLANCE you wish to beat me with I will honour......!!! But if you can.t stand the heath anylonger .. stay out of MY KITCHEN...

Earl, good fellow Dutchman, please let's have a nice discussion.
It's no matter of " who wins" . This is no competition. I learn from you and I learn from the others and surely from Zambezikid as well.
No need to try to overrule one onother, but try to add only information.
I know that's a strong point you have because of your knowledge, but leave the rest out of your postings please.
Still friends ?

[blackline]

Originally Posted by ZambeziKid

Hi Blackline, I agree that diversity is an important factor, but why restrict yourself to one factor? There are many equally important factors that are not subjective, such as fish concentrations, currents, etc (listed loads previously).

If you were a soccer manager and looking to buy a new striker, would you just look for say a tall striker? or a quick strker? Or one that scores lots of goals? There are many factors that would (should) go into your selection. Yeah, scoring goals maybe the most important factor when you first consider it, but what if he doesn't suit your style of play?

Yes bio-diversity is important.
But everything else is related to your special-interest in diving. Wrecks ,sharks,macro,spearfishing,current,cave etc etc.
So bio-diversity for me is the only valid one. Even if it dont hit me in my "heart".
I have no trouble with seeing that my favourite spot not neccesary hits the "peak"
And for that matter I started my scubadiving 30 years ago.

[blackline]

So this is all about of putting an too "aggressive" header to this thread.
Cause it is his and a lot of others subjective meaning,but no a fact, so far.

[Gass]

I am watching this forum since 4 month now and I liked it a lot... this Zambesikid forced me to register. He is a complete Looney Toon, I prefer Mr. Tinklhoppers posts. IMHO here is what it is:

a frustrated man (dive travel agent, yeah... Karabow-poo)
He tried that agent story here, but still had to pay for his dives, so he is frustrated.
even the cheap boulevard-chicks gave him a pass...
he is copying some links from and knowledge from the net.
now he is a vegan, I hope it is because he gets allergys when he eats animal products.
Man, you are a joke, tlaking about giving people here a better life with money....

Your F.... culture brought plastic bags to this world, but you never told us how to get rid of plastic bags. We used natural products (banana - leaves).
And we threw it away. We do the same with the things you brought...

We are sitting at the beach everyday and some fish, rice Tanduay-Rum and we are happy. That fishermen want more fish is the demand of YOUR western - culture. Don't blame us for that. "Hey, we need more Tuna ..." A Tuna feeds our family. But YOU guys flying around the world and destroying the athmosphere (I don't think you came with a bike to the philippines). YOUR culture is using all natural sources they can get, raping the earth.

Looney Toon is the polite version. 1st world Judas is what I mean !!!

Gass

[Timn8ter]

This thread went downhill fast.
I was hoping for another lively and informative thread on conservation. The fact remains, whomever you choose to blame, the coral environment in the Philippines is in peril. The best solution is educating people around the world in conservation and encouraging them to discontinue those activities that threaten our environment.

[progmeister]

Easier said than done. How would one go about teaching people if the same people are either too stubborn or just don't want to know an alternative way of doing what they do. Forgive me for sounding pessimistic but it's like talking to a brick wall. Unless something is done, and done yesterday it is too little too late.