"The Earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens"

[Teacher]

Germany started it by attacking the sea trade of Britain.

[john boy]

Originally Posted by Timn8ter

Very pretty words but is it really that complicated? We're all human with all the shortcomings associated with the race. The common people seem to get along just fine, regardless of race or nationality. If nothing else, they choose to live and let live. It is government, nationalism and fanaticism that create hostilities between peoples.

May I add one more reason;
People bringing up the past.
When all said and done I don't think any of us were around 70-100 years ago.
Was hoping the subject matter would be " The Earth is but one big country and mankind it's citizen's." Not the World at War.

[Timn8ter]

I admit I have a certain bias when it comes to seeking validation for my perspective of the world the same as anyone else, nevertheless, I believe my main points to be valid. Winning a war is like winning an earthquake.
I will leave it to the rest of you to investigate the matter for yourselves if you're interested. That was my main goal anyway. Anyone that is seeking the truth is a step ahead of most of the population.
I did not intend for my comment about pre-emptive strikes to be applied to pre-WWI Great Britain. It was a general comment about the justifications of war and is the basis of current foreign policy for some nations.
The example of a blockade is of current relevance since one may be applied to Iran which I believe will only make matters worse, not better.
The causes of conflicts that appear on the surface or that we are told by our leaders and the media are often mere propaganda and fail upon closer examination.

Was hoping the subject matter would be " The Earth is but one big country and mankind it's citizen's." Not the World at War.

Me too and I apologize for starting a discussion about WWI.
I still maintain that the citizens of the various nations rarely have differences important enough to fight about. When we drop our prejudices we all get along just fine.

[Coyotes]

my last word on the subject, cos i know about the great wars, 1 my grand parents fought in it and told me, 2 i read about it, 3 i was taught about it.

WW2 was started by the germany wanting living room for germans and hitlers own power trip, the fact that most of the Germans followed him is neither here or there as they were in a shit position and he was a saviour, promising to lead them out of it, they say in the land of the blind, the 1 eyed man is king! i think this fits well with the average german at the time, and i'd also say if i were in the same position with my family, i'd also follow the one eyed man.

as for the Iran situation, there's only one reason for this...Bush and bush Daddies little boy doing what daddy started, with some luck, he'll be gone shortly, i'm not saying that'll be an end to it, but a man with credibility, i hope will replace him and base any war decision on actual facts and not some order from daddy.
Iran as other nations in the gulf have threatened to blow isreal off the face of the earth, if iran or any other unstable nation in the region goes neclear, well it's good night, however saying that 2 nations with atomic weapons that also hate each other, Pakistan and india ain't blown each other up.... yet!
if you'd like to blame Britain for the situation there, you won't get any arguement from me, well unless it's factually incorrect....
PS my family has been involved in every war, britain has ever fought, including the iraq conflicts, what's this tell you? us lancasters don't get on with anyone lol

[john boy]

Originally Posted by Coyotes

PS my family has been involved in every war, britain has ever fought, including the iraq conflicts, what's this tell you? us lancasters don't get on with anyone lol

Anybody North of Wigan were always known as trouble makers

[Timn8ter]

As I suspected, we're not that far off from each other. My grandfather fought in France in WW1 and I watched my father suffer from nightmares about Pearl Harbor in the days before he died in 2002.
These conflicts are never the result of one single action but the result of many successive errors and belligerent actions sometimes spreading over many decades and generations.
As "citizens of the world" we can say NO.

[Coyotes]

hahaha i agree, luckily my surname is lancaster i come from manchester, just south phewwwwww lol

[jimeve]

Originally Posted by john boy

Anybody North of Wigan were always known as trouble makers

Its all them black puddings and pies, John boy

[Coyotes]

mmmm black puddings from Bury market, best in England

[john boy]

Originally Posted by Coyotes

mmmm black puddings from Bury market, best in England

Favorite Filipino dish made with black pudding's (don't know what they call it though) at all the functions locally here.
Not forgetting Eccles Cakes.... bet your homesick now Coyotes