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    Quote Originally Posted by Franko View Post
    It's nice to see a more positive outlook on life that's for sure. I appreciate your post. Nice not to be tarred and feathered by everyone here.
    You where very clear you went throught the trouble to go by all the goverment institutions so I do not know what is the issue.

    I do not think it is wise for ppl to blame foreigners for problems in the Filipines, the fact is that the foreign investment climate is not very good, many countries in SE asia are way ahead of the Filipines in sort of every field.

    You need to take a more global view, rather than give in into xenofobic tendencies. The country is in need of investments and job creation and needs to create the right enviorment for it (other countries do).

    No insult intended here but with the such an internal focuss the country will be in problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davfitz View Post
    If that is the way you wish to operate for yourself, fine. Just don't try and camouflage your selfishness as encouraging entrepreneurship. It's not.
    This is rediculous. I'm sure the Filipino's being employed by foreigners don't care for you to speak for them. I hire Filipino's as contracters right now while based in the U.S. so what's the difference where I'm doing this from. Why don't you go tell the Filipino's who are working for foreigners that they should be protesting instead, I would like to see how far you get with that. However, the Filipino's I hire make more money in an hour or two of work than many make in an entire day.

    Just don't try and camouflage your selfishness as encouraging entrepreneurship. It's not.
    Are you kidding me? I think your logic machine is broken. This is like saying jumping in the pool isn't really getting wet. A contractor is an entrepreneur and therefore hiring people as contractors is encouraging entrepreneurship. That is exactly how I got started doing what I'm doing today. In fact, I would refuse a regular job offer right now.

    Of course I'm selfish. I was born and raised in a captitalist system. **** spreading the wealth. I don't bring in my income by people who are trying to spread wealth, I work my *** off for it and bring results. I don't rely on other people to hand me a paycheck, I go out and actively create my own. That's exactly the type of attitude the Filipino's need.




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    Hey Dude!

    Time to take a Valium or what ever other aid you use to chill out.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with or broken in my logic machine. You managed to miss the point entirely. That was my warning to the poster who was trying to operate a business from within the Philippines Republic while enjoying the visa status of visitor here.

    In most instances absolutely nothing will occur. But please consider the outside random chance that something goes wrong. In that case, it's the old heave-ho for the "visitor" and that's all. That was NOT my concern. The poor / rich Filipino employees will be on their own.. The former tourist will be out and likely blacklisted as well against a further return.
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    Time to take a Valium or what ever other aid you use to chill out.
    From your last post, I think I might need to hand one to you also.

    You managed to miss the point entirely. That was my warning to the poster who was trying to operate a business from within the Philippines Republic while enjoying the visa status of visitor here.
    No, actually you made (or attempted to make) several points. Your warning doesn't concern me. I'm willing to take that chance and I'm sure it's something that nobody could really care about it in my case.

    If that is the way you wish to operate for yourself, fine. Just don't try and camouflage your selfishness as encouraging entrepreneurship. It's not.
    The above quote is what I was referring to.

    I don't care who your response was meant for. Your post was still silly and it applies to my own situation as much as it does to the OP's situaton. In fact, it sounds like the OP is playing by the rules.

    Also, if the OP were highly successful in what he is doing, I would join them and work for free. It's an industry with can pay big with little money invested. You can only learn by doing, there is no manual for that sort of thing and learning from someone who is already successful is very valuable.

    I was inspired to move abroad by someone who is doing much the same as the OP and financing her world travels that way. She works when she can but most of the time her business is making money for her while she travels and volunteers.

    Me? I'm still trading dollars for hours. Good luck to the OP!

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    Good luck on your venture. So far the only thing I see happening here is someone is employing 10 young, Filipino workers who are fed, paid and housed while learning a craft in a legal business. They in turn are helping to feed, cloth and house their relatives. Isn't this supposed to be how a good economy works? It's a lot more than I am doing to help the Filipino economy besides spending my dollars here. Good on you.

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    best of luck to u franko. your are in a very competitive environment, some of the comments seem to completely ignore the risks and efforts required

    i have also found the semi family feel is good for business here.

    will be interested in some posts down the line on how the knowledge based process works out in terms of personnel and what sore of people u get to step up into taking responsibility and leading in deadline focused environment

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    I find some of the posts here very funny. It is obvious some of these posters have never been in a managerial position in their life. Other posts look on the positive side and I do appreciate them.

    Anyway the 10 people I had working for me is now down to 5. And I still have to proof read almost everything they do. However, they are good workers and they see merit in what they are learning. I don't mind spending allot of my time helping them because of this.

    Others I had to let go were "University" graduates and in essence these people were incompetent. These persons could not string to sentences together and I am not joking about this.

    It is shame that in a country that has English written all over the place that not many Philippinos can read, write or speak English at a high school level. And I am talking about those who claim they have "University" degrees too.

    Folks what I do here is not rocket science. In essence it encompasses allot of blogging. How hard is that?

    In terms of not being internet savvy I can understand this. I mean wages are poor, computers and internet connection services are expensive. It is not hard to see that families who do have allot cannot buy their children computers.

    In my opinion this is the fault of the government. Families with children should be give some allowance or tax break i.e., not tax on computers for children attending school or something.

    I don't why some many people in India are computer savvy as compared to here. Or why so many are involved in the call center business there. If anyone here has good information on the differences I would like to know.

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    Franko, I appreciate what you are doing here, having 5 people working for you means that you support at least 20 family-members of them too, who most likely don't get any support by our government. And if you make some peso or dollar out of it you also deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franko View Post

    I don't why some many people in India are computer savvy as compared to here. Or why so many are involved in the call center business there. If anyone here has good information on the differences I would like to know.
    I dont really know what the differences exacltly are but I would venture that in India college education is somehow subsidized by the government or they have an extremely large middle and upper class that a good portion of the population can afford to go to a college. But that has just produced a surplus of college graduates. We are told that a majority of the call center personell in India have masters degrees but to me that is not impressive exaclty because they are only working in call centers or code farms and frankly while they seem to stay amazingly calm no matter what the situation, I find their knowledge of English and technical issues is not very deep at all.

    They may have masters degrees but I would not bet they have them in IT related fields. Even scarier to me is that most of them have engineering degrees but at least they have something to show for their time and efforts. When it comes to using overseas outsourcing I am always reminded that cheaper does not mean better, and for a lot of businesses that jump into outsourcing, that has been the major draw.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro View Post
    I dont really know what the differences exacltly are but I would venture that in India college education is somehow subsidized by the government or they have an extremely large middle and upper class that a good portion of the population can afford to go to a college. But that has just produced a surplus of college graduates. We are told that a majority of the call center personell in India have masters degrees but to me that is not impressive exaclty because they are only working in call centers or code farms and frankly while they seem to stay amazingly calm no matter what the situation, I find their knowledge of English and technical issues is not very deep at all.

    They may have masters degrees but I would not bet they have them in IT related fields. Even scarier to me is that most of them have engineering degrees but at least they have something to show for their time and efforts. When it comes to using overseas outsourcing I am always reminded that cheaper does not mean better, and for a lot of businesses that jump into outsourcing, that has been the major draw.
    Just from what I have picked up here and there; public schooling in the Philippines is going downhill for a long time, there is of course a huge brain-drain in the country.

    Most people who I know who are involved with India outsourcing are not that impressed either with the problem solving capacities. Don't forget India is a much larger country than the Philippines and a powerhouse in their region.

    Got to give graduates a bit of credit though, English is not their first language and it takes practice to improve you language skills (I am Dutch and we are considered decent in English but for sure my English was not fluent when I came out of school).

    Everywhere learning largely starts when people start to work and no matter where, graduates are far from ready for the job market when they graduate. Finding the right people to employ is always a hassle and recruiting is a skill as well.

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