sabong in PI

[asilmaniac]

guys just want to ask about the opinion of the furom about sabong (cockfighting) here in the PI... below are listed facts about sabong in the philippines...views on the pro and contrary sides..


PRO::::
1.) its part of the filipino culture. (sabong is dated way back during the spanish era)
2.) its the filipino's favorite pastime. (to be agreed upon between the animal rights activist and lovers of the sport)
3.) sabong in the PI is very much legal and permit can easily be processed. (securing permits is easier than paying income tax returns)
4.) every town in PI has cockpits (aside from church and municipal hall every town in PI has cockpits)
5.) its were the upper class and lower class of the society are viewed to be leveled. (ordinary citizen could mingle with the elites)
6.) its a multi-million industry.( it creates thousands of jobs)

CONS
1.) its a very bloody and cruel sport. (as animal rights activist says)
2.) its a form of gambling.
3.) being a catholic nation its a taboo for the people to be engaged in sabong.
4.) Gambling and cockfighting are societal ills that are each harmful to our communities on their own; however, when you combine the two, you get people betting on the outcome of undeniable cruelty, and that is simply unacceptable.
5.) Law enforcement officials have documented a strong connection between cockfighting and the distribution of illegal drugs. (in most cases the cockpit is often made the hang-outs of illegalist not just drug dealers, its were they spend thier money gambling because its safer for them than going out in the open like in casinos)
6.) it's hardly surprising to those familiar with cockfighting's criminal circles. In many parts of the country, the good ol' boys' network still reigns, with law enforcement willing to overlook this sickening activity in exchange for a little payola. ( exist in illegal run cockpits but not inside the pit were it has permits)

List of the few facts about the sport....just wanna know about the opinions of the foriegners living and planning to live here in the country:::

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ASIL

[jellyfish]

Well, yesterday I went again to a cockfight.
This time in Dauin where they have a nice new building.
I have been in my life here to one cockfight in Dumaguete, one in Zamboanguita and now one in Dauin.
I go there because one of my workers participates in cockfighting with his cocks he trains himself.
He always asks me to go to his cock fighting and of course to put money on his cocks.
So I did now 3 times.
I always lost money so I have a good reason now to tell him I will stop with gambling on his cocks because then he will surely loose again !
I promised myself now not to go anymore to a cockfight.
Not that it is because I have such very strong moral objections (I do have some; in general I don't like any fighting, bloody or not, by humans or animals), but because I don't see the fun, even not when I should have won all three times.
But every country has so it's own cultural 'habits' which won't change quickly.
It will surely be a slow process of changing.
Too much interest of people.
We westerners are generally not 'accepting' these bloody games but we westerners had even more cruel games in our history. e.g. the Romans with their gladiators.
And what about that stupid (= MY opinion !) 'modern' version of gladiator fighting like American wrestling or cage fighting? Disgusting for me.
It will take a long time I fear before cockfighting is banned here.

[asilmaniac]

nice one jelly...well people has diffrent views on the sport..either on the contrary or not...keep on coming guys...thanks


But if you would try to look at things on the view of the breeders who look at the sport at a different way its not cruelty on animals but rather giving thier feathered warriors a chance to live...because these birds by nature are teritorial so we cannot let them live in the wild.



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ASIL

[Teacher]

I have never went to the cockfights. But when almost every Filipino I know has a chicken under his arm. I really don't see an end to this in my life time.

[Arie]

It might be my Calvinistic heritage but I am against betting since it is proven to be highly addictive and ruins families. Like alcohol and drug abuse it is a threat to society.

Can't say I like bloodsports either but I am not going to wind myself up over a dead chicken, bio industry is likely more cruel to animals and there are a lot of people in dire circumstances and that takes priority for me.

[asilmaniac]

absolutely right arie..

im also against gambling...but i fight birds and i dont bet on them... i just like to breed, test them in the pit and feel the rush everytime i see my birds fight...

its feels like im the one fighting for my life...you my not feel what i feel but its really amazing seeing my birds hammer its enemy to death and disgusting if i see them loose..hehehe

for me sabong is a sport and not a kind of gambling...coz i dont bet i just let my friends bet on my bird...its a combination of art and science.

1.) its an art because you breed birds they way you want them to fight..
every bloodline has its individual fighting style, combining different bloodlines produces different fighting style.
2.) it a science because your breeding follows the law of genetics. you should consider the combination of bloodlines for a breeder to produce a real fighting machine. its also a science of animal nutrition and animal health...both aspects has a great impact on producing ace warriors.

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by asilmaniac

But if you would try to look at things on the view of the breeders who look at the sport at a different way its not cruelty on animals but rather giving thier feathered warriors a chance to live...because these birds by nature are teritorial so we cannot let them live in the wild.

ASIL

You are right there maniac, I will never forget how aggresive two roosters get when you put two of them together, it seems it is their instinct to attack each other right away even if there is no hen to fight about nearby. I actually enjoy watching them practice fight since it seems that is their natural inclination towards one another and you are watching nature up close. Once the blades go on they are playing winner takes all.

[2blackbelts]

As a foreigner, here is my take on it, plus other forms of human and non human combat.

1. Cockfighting is Filipino culture and heritage. As a foreigner, I have no right to try and change it. I abhore it personally. If you do not like it, don't attend the matches.

2. Humans can choose if they fight or not, animals cannot.

3. In the US, pro football player Michael Vick went to prison for dog fighting. He deserved what he got and more.

4. I do mixed martial arts fighting (MMA). Not as much now as earlier because of my age. I administer pain, and in turn receive it. Again, this is my choice. I am not forced to compete.

5. I think any sport that causes needless pain, and death to animals is cruel and barbarick. Again, these contests are based on culture, and not mine to approve or disapprove.

2 bb

[asilmaniac]

on that point 2bb of sports with needless pain is barbaric, how bout boxing?

boxing matches now a days are not that competitive but rather an income generating mafia.. example of which is the de la hoya vs pacquiao match..a non title match...so whats the use of fighting two miss match boxers? (but still manny won)..the fight is done maybe for money....or i could also be wrong, but thats what i see...because filipino cockers went to america, the likes of chavit singson and rex wacky salud...did they go to vegas to support manny or to bet on him...

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ASIL