Why are Filipino's bad mannered to each other?

[Mam A]

Hi! How are you all on this strip?

IMHO, no matter how corny and how much of a dash of cold water this may be: I believe that the bigger issue is attitude. Attitude is developed from home firstly and home may not necessarily mean with parents. Street kids do not have proper homes. If they happen to be with at least someone who practices good courtesy and fine conduct, they would gain something to improve their behavior. Otherwise, how they actualize is not bad for them. Their attitude would be hinged again IMHO, on survival. They won't waste words and they would always be in a hurry to get what they want and move on. I also believe that street kids like to attract your attention and would like you to give them what they want so they move away. Being rude helps them get their way. Some street kids would even try to touch ___ and since ___ want them to move away, ___ might quickly give a coin or something.

Rude adults may actualize their rudeness without themselves realizing they are being rude. They might simply not know what's rude and what's not.

And what would be rude in one place may not be rudeness in another. I've traveled quite a bit and have met "rude" as well as very nice people everywhere. Discrimination? I met that too but have not taken any of it hard because again, it's attitude. Instead of feeling discriminated, I choose not to feel it. So there! It's either one's attitude or the other person's.

To bash those Pinoys who were being rude fine. But to bash in general--that too could be a challenged attitude.

[gotz]

Originally Posted by babel-fish

It always annoys me when people lack manners, I expect it is because I am British and have been taught that saying please and thank you or excuse me was very important and respectful. In all the many Filipino languages please, thank you and excuse me can be translated and they mean exactly the same.

I wonder why Filipino’s never seem to use these words of respect, often I sit outside a local shop drinking a cold beer. I hear children and adults asking for items and without using a single polite word.

If I am shopping with my partner, Filipino’s barge by me like I did not exist, I have had elbows dug in my back and when I get annoyed the offender looks at me with a face that states I am in the wrong.

Are the children taught these kind respectful words at home or at school apparently not as the parents do not use them and the teachers seemly go around being rude as well. If I was a shop owner I would not serve anybody that was not good manner or respectful.

I wonder if this rude attitude is a hand me down from the Americans from the colonial days? I have noted that many Americans are just as rude but not all of them of course, so 'Joe' don't take what I say to heart unless your bad mannered, lol I sometimes notice the thank you when you recieve but not the please when you ask. Perhaps these people are type casting the movie stars who similarly seem to have no polite words added to their script.

If you tell Filipino off for being bad mannered they seemingly think you are arrogant, something is truthfully wrong when people are not polite to each other. To me manners show that someone is civilized and care about their fellow human beings.

What really annoys me most is the fact when a foreigner gives a gift these filipino’s suddenly seem to remember the polite words or if a child are prompted by their parents to say thank you. That tells me they know what manners are but why don’t they use politeness to other Filipino’s in the streets and shops? I expect that they realize if they are polite to the foreigner he or she may keep on giving gifts. lol

Generalizing on us Filipinos as bad mannered also shows how ill mannered you are.

You are complaining about how Filipinos deal or approach you. Why? Do you Englishmen treat Filipinos and other asians in your country with utmost respect and courtesy?

You want respect then show us first your respect. Our culture is different from yours. You want respect coz you believe you are white? You Englishmen practice respect and courtesy only to your own kind. But not to other races.

[Arie]

I have never anybody barge into me let alone elbow me, not too much trouble in trafic either (but than I don't drive). Main 'politness' issues I got are with family members but it is almost all down to being shy and afraid to speak english etc.

I do value manners though but I really can't be bothered if ppl lack the polite phrases or service attitude (I will just tip less), anyhow it depends on the upbringing, if you get into poor areas in England I doubt you will find many 'thank you sir' more likely a knuckle sandwich for being posh.

[Arie]

Originally Posted by gotz

Generalizing on us Filipinos as bad mannered also shows how ill mannered you are.

You are complaining about how Filipinos deal or approach you. Why? Do you Englishmen treat Filipinos and other asians in your country with utmost respect and courtesy?

You want respect then show us first your respect. Our culture is different from yours. You want respect coz you believe you are white? You Englishmen practice respect and courtesy only to your own kind. But not to other races.

Yep ppl should take it easy with the generalisations here, ppl are ppl wherever they are from and eventualy you harvest what you seed.

I make a point of dealing with everybody with respect btw. unless they are real disrespectfull towards me, it hardly takes an efford.

Sure in trying to find something specific for a country you get generalizations but in the end they are complete useless. Some English ppl wrote a book 'the undutchables' and when I read it I sort of recognized it just did not know anybody who lived like that (but than I did the Dutch citizen test, foreigners have to take and failed as well).

[tubigboy]

Now posh is an interesting word. Derived from the old cunard lines. When you had to travel by sea. A room that had a view of the city as you were leaving and when you were returning to port was considered a posh room. An acronym for Port Out and Starboard Home.

I still stand by answer. "crab mentality!" Me me me me me me! Do you ever wonder why they bother painting the lines on the roads?

[Arie]

Originally Posted by tubigboy

Now posh is an interesting word. Derived from the old cunard lines. When you had to travel by sea. A room that had a view of the city as you were leaving and when you were returning to port was considered a posh room. An acronym for Port Out and Starboard Home.

I still stand by answer. "crab mentality!" Me me me me me me! Do you ever wonder why they bother painting the lines on the roads?

Interesting I did not know that, I don't really know what 'crab mentality' means btw. Considering the sacrifices many Filipino's make to suport their families you can't really argue that there is general ego-centric streak though.

[jellyfish]

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But please state your name rank and number. Why I say this is because your looking very silly.
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My english heart is a Polish one mixed with German and Jewish abstraction I am of course a person that wants to see the real peace in our time. And the one that so disapointed in my fellow man thats become the sheep of explotation. Who are you to judge?

Wow you are someone special? I am not

Shiba, Balustre and Gotz (and others who followed) ...,..thanks for your support.
I believe we have a new kid in town (DI Forum) who resembles a personne who has stopped many months ago to give his comments and judgements on whatever posting and made some of our members feeling quite annoyed.
Even after many times (by many members) asking to behave normal and to stop his arrogancy, he continued.
Babel (fish), if you want to know my name, rank and number (for what purpose, my dear ?) look on my profile. I did not see more info on your profile.
My rank ? Citizen without any rank. No need for that.
Number ? what number ? I prefer to not feel as a number.
Name ? Jellyfish (yours is Babelfish)
I DO look very silly. How did you know that ? So you already looked at my profile ? Why asked then ?
You say to me: "Who are you to judge". Who is judging all the time my dear Babel ?

No, I'm not someone special. I'm an ordinary guy with a normal sense of humor, who likes to contact people, to respect them as long as they do to me and to make fun with them.
Oh yeah... maybe I am a bit special. Some people at least think that way (my sweetheart e.g. )

I'm sure this won't finish with my reaction. But I will finish to react on your comments in this thread.
Otherwise I loose my stinging tentacles

[jimeve]

Originally Posted by tubigboy

Now posh is an interesting word. Derived from the old cunard lines. When you had to travel by sea. A room that had a view of the city as you were leaving and when you were returning to port was considered a posh room. An acronym for Port Out and Starboard Home.

I still stand by answer. "crab mentality!" Me me me me me me! Do you ever wonder why they bother painting the lines on the roads?

All most right, British colonist sailing to the for east before air con,
if traveling POSH would have shade in the cabin, port outward starboard home,

Don't get many cities at sea.

[shiba]

Originally Posted by babel-fish

Oh no, thats a poor excuse for bad manners all that pointing lips thing and a smile or raising eyebrowes and a respect for older relatives has nothing to do good old good manners. God knows how many people have barged pass me with out a word or try to get served before me. I have been studying culture here for some years now and have not notice a filipino body lanquage that means please thank you but there is one for escuse two hand palms together in a downward direction. Its not used much though.

The way people drive on the road here gives every indication that to most Filipino's do not have manners only some have. Think about it. lol

Well, excuse me...'the pointing lips thing and a smile or raising eyebrows bad mannered?' You just don't get it, do you? For Filipinos born under "Filipino culture" these behaviours are just as natural as eating rice and dried fish with their hands.

You have been studying Filipino culture for many years? Sorry, you will never understand it because instead of learning their behaviours and accepting how Filipinos interact with one another, you want the Filipino people to behave on how you want them to based on your own standards. That ain't happening...

Since you are residing in the Philippines amongst the Filipino people...when in the Philippines, do what the Filipinos do...learn how to barge your way or how to get served first am sure your Filipino sweetheart can give you pointers on how to do it 'cmon, you can do it

Jelly, you make the most sense

[babel-fish]

Generalizing on us Filipinos as bad mannered also shows how ill mannered you are.

You are complaining about how Filipinos deal or approach you. Why? Do you Englishmen treat Filipinos and other asians in your country with utmost respect and courtesy?

You want respect then show us first your respect. Our culture is different from yours. You want respect coz you believe you are white? You Englishmen practice respect and courtesy only to your own kind. But not to other races.

If you met me you would soon find I give respect and have very good manners. I however do not generise its how I see it. I am very well travelled, military and privately I can honestly say that this country is one of the worst mannered place I have ever lived in maybe its because I have learned to understand the language but I also know enough of other languages to understand politeness. Its only when english is spoken manners seem to apply.

The truth may hurt, but that is the truth how I see. But is this bad manners good for tourism?

You can pull me down as much as you like, but if you wish we will both walk around the city together and I will point out where good manners are not being used. Its a fact and one that can not be hidden. Lets do a survey and see what the percentages are of those that do not use manners and those that do. Better still do your own and you will be very disapointed.

Its something that I have learned to ignore and pity only.